Episode 2

Pistols Are Convenience. Rifles End Fights. (ft. Clint Smith)

Published on: 25th February, 2026

This week, John and Kailey sit down with Clint Smith, The Thunder Ranch founder and Marine combat veteran, to break down why pistols are tools of convenience, why rifles end fights, and what Clint means when he says, “Every bullet has a lawyer attached.”

From reversing “shoot, move, communicate” to the safety culture the gun community needs, this episode is a hard look at competency, preparation, and what it really means to be responsible.

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About the Podcast

State of the Second
The State of The Second, an interview style podcast focusing on the impact that legislation and activism is having on the firearms industry, and the second amendment community.
"State of the Second isn’t your typical 2A podcast—it’s a backstage pass into the firearms industry.

Hosted by Kailey Nieman and John Fahrner, we sit down with the real people behind the brands, builds, and big ideas shaping the gun world. From shop owners to social media legends, each episode dives into how they got started, what keeps them going, and what it really takes to make it in the firearms industry, plus the battles they face along the way. If you’ve ever wondered how to break into the industry or what it’s like behind the scenes, this is your front-row seat."