Episode 45

Why The Basics Matter Most, Even After 30 Years of Shooting (ft. Gabby Franco)

Published on: 14th January, 2026

This week, John and Kailey sit down with Gabby Franco and break down the mindset that actually builds skill and the mindset that actually builds community. They talk practical training, plus what competition is really like behind the scenes, pressure, discipline, and why it’s not the “drama” people assume.

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About the Podcast

State of the Second
The State of The Second, an interview style podcast focusing on the impact that legislation and activism is having on the firearms industry, and the second amendment community.
"State of the Second isn’t your typical 2A podcast—it’s a backstage pass into the firearms industry.

Hosted by Kailey Nieman and John Fahrner, we sit down with the real people behind the brands, builds, and big ideas shaping the gun world. From shop owners to social media legends, each episode dives into how they got started, what keeps them going, and what it really takes to make it in the firearms industry, plus the battles they face along the way. If you’ve ever wondered how to break into the industry or what it’s like behind the scenes, this is your front-row seat."