Episode 4
Yeeting The Haters – The People Behind Hi-Point (ft Hi-Point Firearms)
Season 2, Episode 4 is here!This week, John sits down with Dave Kiwacka of Hi-Point Firearms to tackle Hi-Point myths, buying & selling ammo, their legendary customer service, and the insane torture tests their guns endure. Don’t miss it!
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Transcript
Welcome to Goa State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:My name is John and today I'm joined by the man, the myth, the legend, the purveyor of the yeet Cannon, Dave from High Point.
Speaker A:Dave, how are you, brother?
Speaker B:Oh, man, wow.
Speaker B:What kind of intro was that?
Speaker B:I'm good, man, I'm good.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Well, I gotta, I gotta introduce you somehow.
Speaker A:You're, you are this like legend there, there's some in some circles in the industry, they call you Handsome Dave.
Speaker B:Yeah, okay, that's true.
Speaker B:So God, how do you.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, I know he know that.
Speaker B:Nevermind.
Speaker A:Yeah, so you know, I have to introduce you in some way.
Speaker A:You know, the purveyor, the legend of the yeet, you know, so go ahead and introduce yourself to the folks real quick.
Speaker B:Yeah, like you said, Dave, with High Point, that's most common circles and working with High point for like 15 years now, dealing with guys like this, you know, writers and media people and, you know, and often, oftentimes you can find me dealing with you, the end user, customer, whether it's on social media or if you can call us in, might get me on the phone maybe.
Speaker A:Oh, that's getting you on the phone.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:I tried to stay away from the phone as much as possible.
Speaker A:I can see why.
Speaker A:So we're gonna go into our rapid fire segment.
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Speaker A:So Dave, I'm gonna ask you five questions.
Speaker A:We're gonna start off.
Speaker A:What was your last impulse buy?
Speaker B:It was a knife when I was at a Ohio range day.
Speaker B:What was that like back in September?
Speaker B:Brothers and blades or something like that?
Speaker B:I don't know, man.
Speaker B:I'm like, I have a problem with knives.
Speaker B:I could do guns.
Speaker B:I just see like a cool knife.
Speaker B:I'm like, ooh, what's that?
Speaker B:They're like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:These are all handmade, you know, individualized.
Speaker B:They're, they're not production runs.
Speaker B:I'm like, huh, huh?
Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker B:Oh, you have the little ring with my finger so I can fidget, spin, twirl it.
Speaker B:I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:And it's smaller than other knives.
Speaker B:It's like, go get my battle belt rig.
Speaker B:I'm like, for more larping, like, okay, how much is it?
Speaker B:Oh, it's only $200 for the show.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But it's actually pretty cool.
Speaker B:It's a cool little knife.
Speaker A:Been there, done that.
Speaker A:We all know how that goes.
Speaker A:The next question I'm going to ask you is, since you are in Dayton, Ohio, or in that area, are aliens real?
Speaker A:Because we all know they're at right Pat?
Speaker A:Are aliens real?
Speaker B:They're okay.
Speaker B:Are they real?
Speaker B:Yes, they're absolutely real.
Speaker B:Are they right, Pat?
Speaker B:No, dude, come on.
Speaker A:You know they're at right, Pat?
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:I Even back in the day, like, when I started getting that thought of, like, our aliens real, it's like Roswell, New Mexico.
Speaker B:That happened?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Area 51, obviously, we all know that's real.
Speaker B:It's just stored there.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Did they really bring the right Pat if they did?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:For a very short time before it went back out west.
Speaker B:There ain't nothing to write, Pat, right now than logistics and satellite.
Speaker A:All right, listen, the.
Speaker A:If you've ever lived in the Dayton area, you know that that is the legend that all the aliens are right, Pat.
Speaker B:I've been over that base enough.
Speaker B:Ain't no aliens there.
Speaker A:So the next question I got for you.
Speaker A:What is your go to home defense gun and why is it a high point carbine?
Speaker B:You know, you'd think because I have such, like, easy access to them, it would be my go to gun.
Speaker B:But right now, the actual bedside gun is my space cowboy lever action setup.
Speaker B:O.
Speaker B:Well, part of that's because my safe is absolutely full.
Speaker B:I just can't fit any more things in there.
Speaker B:So I've got, like, one hang up above my monitors here.
Speaker B:My bookshelf and I've got the lever action is stowed away in the bedroom.
Speaker B:And, you know, there's usually something else around elsewhere, but I'm just out of room.
Speaker B:But the lever gun, though, I don't know.
Speaker B:It's because it's cool, because it's fun.
Speaker B:Got a light on.
Speaker B:I got a good laser setup on it.
Speaker B:If I feel like throw my nods on being, you know, Bravo 6 going dark, I can still run the lever action with that with the can on it because it's just cool, you know?
Speaker A:No, that is.
Speaker A:That is really cool.
Speaker A:You know, I.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't know what's scarier.
Speaker A:You with a lever gun.
Speaker A:Are you somebody breaking your house with you in your underwear and nods on with a lever gun?
Speaker B:I mean, you know, why not, man?
Speaker A:Why not?
Speaker B:The lever gun's a man.
Speaker B:I run.
Speaker B:I ran that thing in.
Speaker B:What was It Midnight Brutality.
Speaker B:Last spring I ran an entire match with a lever gun.
Speaker B:115 people.
Speaker B:I timed out on 5 out of 8 stages with a lever gun because I've got a, you know, single load rounds in where other guys just hitting a button, inserting a mag, hitting a button.
Speaker B:But I still beat like five guys overall.
Speaker A:Look at you.
Speaker B:Lever gun.
Speaker B:So it's like lever guns rock, man.
Speaker B:I mean, have some fun with them.
Speaker A:Yeah, why not?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I can't wait.
Speaker A:Mine's supposed to be.
Speaker A:I got the Goa Henry.
Speaker A:Mine's supposed to be hopefully coming in soon.
Speaker B:Nice, nice.
Speaker A:Question number four.
Speaker A:If you could make one firearms movie more realistic, which one would it be?
Speaker B:More realistic?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh my God, dude.
Speaker B:I'm like looking a whole wall of movies and thinking, I don't know because I mean you get things like, like Predator.
Speaker B:Predator is an absolute favorite movie and predator is the quintessential 80s or hip firing everything.
Speaker B:But you still watch a movie today, it doesn't matter.
Speaker B:It still looks good.
Speaker B:So like, I wouldn't touch that, you know, and maybe go with like Die Hard, but same thing.
Speaker B:Die Hard is done well enough.
Speaker B:It's like, I wouldn't touch that.
Speaker B:Then you go to like Heat.
Speaker B:It's pretty much done perfectly, so there's no point in touching that.
Speaker B:The, the Wick movies, they're all done really well, except the occasional guy who's teacupping some.
Speaker B:But that's, that's forgivable enough.
Speaker B:I mean, man, you kind of stumped me on that.
Speaker A:Well, the one we've got.
Speaker A:So I've asked this question three times.
Speaker A:The one that we keep getting more most consistently is Rambo First Blood.
Speaker B:I mean, it's been while since I've watched.
Speaker B:I love that movie too.
Speaker B:But like his stuff with the 60 is not so over the top, you know, I mean, you're not going to shoulder 60 anyways at that point, you know, with controlling the belt.
Speaker B:But then National Guard guys, I'm thinking those scenes and they come up, they're usually like, I feel like the main scene, they're all laying up on a log, so they're kind of half in a prone position aiming.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, he comes out, sprays a little bit, but that's because he wasn't trying to kill anybody.
Speaker B:So no, I'm all right with Rainbow First Blood.
Speaker B:I think that one's, that one's pretty solid.
Speaker B:Now if you want to take the sequels, those, Dear God, those could use some like actual, actual aiming and not just spraying.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:But the first one.
Speaker B:Now leave the first balloon.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's like a damn near perfect movie.
Speaker A:All right, so then the last question I have is, is Die Hard a Christmas movie?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Is the only answer.
Speaker B:How is it?
Speaker B:How is it not?
Speaker B:I mean, come on, Seriously.
Speaker A:Oh, people will argue with me all the time, but no, Die Hard is a Christmas movie.
Speaker B:Die Hard as a Christmas movie.
Speaker A:If you don't think so, you can go take it up with Dave from High Point.
Speaker B:Oh, if you don't think so, you're just wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're wrong.
Speaker A:So that was our rapid fire question segment again.
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Speaker A:So, Dave, let's go ahead and just dive into it.
Speaker A:You've been at high point for 15 years.
Speaker A:Who is High Point?
Speaker A:What is High Point?
Speaker A:What's the whole story behind High Point?
Speaker B:Oh, God, man, do we have enough time for that?
Speaker A:We got some time.
Speaker B:I mean, so real and truly, I work for MKS Supply, which is a company that is part of the brand.
Speaker B:High Point isn't even.
Speaker B:I should say it's a brand.
Speaker B:It's not a single company.
Speaker B:It's evolved over the years.
Speaker B:So, like, right now, your company's performance.
Speaker B:High Point is MKS Supply with a marketing and distribution end.
Speaker B:So that's how you get to know me.
Speaker B:Strasses Machine is the main production facility.
Speaker B:It does majority of the firearms.
Speaker B:And then you've got Haskell manufacturing, which does the.45 handgun and now the.40 cal handgun.
Speaker B:They recently took that over from Siberia, which did the.40 cal handgun.
Speaker B:And then all of our hydro dipping is all done by Middle Hire Graphics, which is another company under that brand.
Speaker B:But they also.
Speaker B:Mid Ohio also does stuff for other companies in the gun industry outside the gun industry.
Speaker B:If you need hydro dipping, Mid Ohio does an absolute metric ton of hydro dipping stuff.
Speaker B:But all those brands come together under the umbrella of High Point Firearms.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you and I have talked about this.
Speaker A:The biggest myth about High Point Firearms is that all the guns are made in separate facilities.
Speaker A:So that way if you get sued, that they could.
Speaker A:Could have sued you.
Speaker A:I don't know where this myth came from, you and I, because I brought it up to you a year ago, and you're like, no, that's.
Speaker A:That's not even true.
Speaker B:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker B:I was like, what?
Speaker B:Because that was a new one to me.
Speaker B:I'd not.
Speaker B:I've never heard that one.
Speaker B:Like, that was the dumbest thing in the world.
Speaker B:Like a lot of the lawsuits, I can say we've been embroiled in a lot of them because we are the end distribution point.
Speaker B:So everything that all the factories produce, we buy them all.
Speaker B:And then from that point, we do the marketing distribution side.
Speaker B:So we get them out to wholesale distributors and then get them out to the dealers from there.
Speaker B:So for a long time, we were the ones.
Speaker B:We're the final ATF side of it, you know, of where the guns come from.
Speaker B:Well manufactured and we bought them and then we sold them.
Speaker B:So we get tied up in a lot of the lawsuits.
Speaker B:But yeah, to go with every guns, a different factory is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker B:We're, we're.
Speaker B:We're a real manufacturer.
Speaker B:We carry insurance, you know, unlike some other brands that are almost.
Speaker B:Are faded out and gone now.
Speaker B:I think, like, obviously, like you're saying, I.
Speaker B:Specials.
Speaker B:People say, oh, the High Point, Saturday Night Special, man, Silent Specials was like before our time.
Speaker B:Before High Points time.
Speaker B:Like, no, no, like you're using antiquated terms that even exist anymore.
Speaker A:Yeah, and that's, that's the thing, everybody.
Speaker A:There's this High Points got this mystery behind them where it comes like all these weird things.
Speaker A:So they'll throw you in with Saturday Special.
Speaker A:They'll throw you in with the, the Ring of Fire people.
Speaker A:It's totally different.
Speaker A:Not even close.
Speaker B:So you have an era of time.
Speaker B:I mean, High Points didn't exist then.
Speaker B:I mean, but people still just.
Speaker B:I don't know, it kind of falls into me, like the whole AR versus ak, you know, what's the better platform, you know?
Speaker B:Well, if you talk to Vietnam vets, It's pretty much 50.
Speaker B:50, you know.
Speaker B:But you talk to guys nowadays and they're like, it's personal preference.
Speaker B:But they are still better.
Speaker B:I mean, so, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, High Points are cheap S Special guns.
Speaker B:No, no, dude, we're not.
Speaker B:We wouldn't still be in existence making crap, you know, if for 35 years, you know.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I love when people talk trash about High Points because I'm just like, have you shot one?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Well, they work.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They go bang every time.
Speaker A:So a few years ago or now, what is it?
Speaker A:Almost.
Speaker A:Almost a decade ago?
Speaker A:Almost.
Speaker A:We're at that point where you guys decided that you were gonna let the industry or the.
Speaker A:Your customers decide what your next gun was going to be called.
Speaker B:Oh, come on.
Speaker B:It wasn't a decade.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:It was like four years ago.
Speaker A: Wasn't it like: Speaker A:No, it was.
Speaker B:No, 19, 19.
Speaker B:1919.
Speaker B:We unveiled.
Speaker A: Yeah, why did I think it was: Speaker A:My bad.
Speaker A:Anyways, you guys let your customers decide whose idea was that and was it a great idea or did it turn into like this weird marketing thing?
Speaker B:Both.
Speaker B:Was it a great idea?
Speaker B:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, everybody was like, oh, you're going to go the whole Bodie McBoat face route.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, let's be realistic.
Speaker B:If you're submitting names to us, we control that data float.
Speaker B:Nobody knows what's being submitted.
Speaker B:So it's like, we will do whatever we want with it.
Speaker B:You know, we will tell you one thing, we could.
Speaker B:That's the really end of it.
Speaker B:We can do whatever the hell we want.
Speaker B:So it was a great idea.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, it was absolutely crazy and interesting thing.
Speaker B: showed the thing off at Shot: Speaker B:I'm pretty sure after Shot, we even talked about it, like, you know, what do we name this thing?
Speaker B:It was like, should we open to the public knowing it's going to be an absolute show?
Speaker B:Because there's, I don't want to say hundreds, but there's probably 50 names that to this day I still wouldn't repeat online or even release in text because we'd probably get tagged by some anti gun or anti hate speech group because the names are just that vile.
Speaker B:It was like, okay, people, like, calm down.
Speaker B:Like, do you really think for a second we're gonna allow this to process forward?
Speaker B:You know, but beyond that.
Speaker B:Yeah, there was.
Speaker B:There's some cool stuff in there.
Speaker B:There's some cool things that were generally we liked, you know, well, some of us liked.
Speaker B:And others go, why would you call it that?
Speaker B:Like, man, it's like talking three, four little letters on the side of a gun.
Speaker B:Like, what does it really matter?
Speaker B:You know, just have fun with it.
Speaker B:And hence, yeah, Yeet Cannon kind of, kind of stuck.
Speaker A:I remember it was between I know who I.
Speaker A:What I voted for.
Speaker A:And that was WL.
Speaker A:WLS 9.
Speaker B:That was one of the biggest ones.
Speaker A:Yeah, it came down between Yeet Cannon and wlsnow.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And then when Yeet Cannon won, it became this meme and people started copying it.
Speaker A:What was the, like, reception from you guys who were like, oh, people are now copying her gun name because it became this big thing.
Speaker B:I mean, but who really cop, other than meme wise, who really copied.
Speaker B:I don't remember really seeing Anybody.
Speaker B:I mean, everybody talked about like HK did a lot of little marketing blips of the mark 23 in a can.
Speaker B:And calling it the.
Speaker B:What was the.
Speaker B:I don't even.
Speaker B:Yeet.
Speaker B:23, I think, but just in goofy meme culture, fashion.
Speaker B:So that side of it.
Speaker B:No, who care?
Speaker B:We didn't care.
Speaker B:It was cool.
Speaker B:It was fun.
Speaker B:It was free publicity to us because you knew if they made a meme about it, what are they talking about?
Speaker B:They're really talking about us, you know, so it just.
Speaker B:This worked.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah.
Speaker A:So we've got High Point.
Speaker A:We've been focusing on High Point, but there's a whole bunch of other brands under MKS Supply.
Speaker A:You know, what other.
Speaker A:So for people who don't know, like what other brands you guys have and what other products you have, because High Point seems to take control the conversation most of the time is the bread and butter.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What else do you guys do besides just High Point?
Speaker B:One thing we were pretty well known for in a very short time, it's unfortunately done, was the Barnal ammunition that the Biden admin kind of pretty much killed that, you know, killed that line of ammunition.
Speaker B:And that was a big thing was Barnool.
Speaker B:You could get Barnal a lot of different flavors here in the states under different private labels.
Speaker B:But our big thing was we were actually pushing their actual name so you would know what Barnal ammo was.
Speaker B:But so that's, that's done and gone.
Speaker B:I doubt we'll get that back with the Trump change.
Speaker B:But so our current brands we've had for several years now.
Speaker B:One is full forge gear.
Speaker B:So it's our soft goods gear line from double padded rifle cases, double pistol cases, single pistol cases, tool bag.
Speaker B:You know, that's not my full forge gear set up behind me, so never mind.
Speaker B:Full forge gear plate, carriers, plates themselves, level 3A and 4 plates, level 3A ballistic helmet.
Speaker B:And I'm trying to think, oh, and then the backpack, which I do carry all the time.
Speaker B:Just like a two day, one day.
Speaker B:You know, I don't say a salt backpack, but just EDC backpack covered.
Speaker B:Molly.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's the full forge gear line that we've been doing that.
Speaker B:God, I don't know, man.
Speaker B:I want to say like it's probably been five years.
Speaker B:It might be.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't really remember now.
Speaker B:It's just kind of all.
Speaker B:It'll kind of bleed together anymore.
Speaker B:But then the other one that's really cool that we do is we do marketing with Inland Manufacturing.
Speaker B:So anybody Knows the Inland name.
Speaker B:They were known in the 40s, World War II with M1 carbines.
Speaker B:They were the leading M1 carbine producer by General Motors.
Speaker B:Ron Inland.
Speaker B:He actually saw that General Motors was doing nothing with the name and reached out and bought the name Inland.
Speaker B:So he is resurrected inland M1 carbines with that.
Speaker B:It is a couple different variations on it.
Speaker B:So you get your standard watch, the standard.
Speaker B: But the main line is the: Speaker B: em would have produced in the: Speaker B: state compliant model that's: Speaker B:Just doesn't have the bayonet lug because you know, people get bayoneted all the time.
Speaker B:Another popular one then being the paratrooper.
Speaker B:Everybody likes the cool idea the paratrooper because it was the folding stock with the chunk square pistol grip.
Speaker B:Because guys jumping out of planes on D day with that thing.
Speaker B:It is cool.
Speaker B:But for shooting wise, just stick with the other two models.
Speaker B:Honestly.
Speaker B:But yeah, in a nutshell, that.
Speaker B:That's it in a nutshell.
Speaker A:And you guys also do well with Inland.
Speaker A: You also have: Speaker A:Or there was a Derringer.
Speaker B:There was.
Speaker B:There was a Deringer that was kind of like Inland's take on.
Speaker B:It was a Bond Arms private labeled for us.
Speaker B:It was kind of Inland's take on doing like the.
Speaker B:The old Liberator pistol, which, you know, the original was a sheet metal stamped air dropped in single shot.
Speaker B:Had little, you know, comic book directions on how to use a thing.
Speaker B:And that was for more resistance to like drop a Nazi in the back of the head and grab his gun.
Speaker B:But so Ron's Inland was using the Derringer for it and it was cool.
Speaker B:I mean it's a Bond Arms danger.
Speaker B:Those things are awesome.
Speaker B:It just wasn't something that was received really all that well.
Speaker B:I think people really wanted a legit Liberator, which it's kind of like the original Liberty is cool for the historic value.
Speaker B:Other than that, it's not something you want to shoot.
Speaker B:I mean it's sheet metal.
Speaker A:I mean everybody wants one because they.
Speaker A:Because of the mystery behind the Liberator and all that stuff.
Speaker B:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:But then you go to shoot one, it's just like why?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It's like people's obsession for me with the like the Walter PPK.
Speaker B:It's like, have you ever shot a PPK in 380?
Speaker B:Like you think, oh, it's 380.
Speaker B:No, man, those things suck to shoot.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're painful and unforgiving.
Speaker B:It's like, no way.
Speaker B:You put one like in 32, that's actually what's fun to shoot.
Speaker B:But then it's 32.
Speaker B:Like why.
Speaker A:No, I, I can't agree more on that one.
Speaker A:So we have.
Speaker A:You got inland, you've got mks.
Speaker A:I want to touch on something you, because we haven't talked to anybody about this yet, Bernal and the, the Biden administration going after imported ammo, specifically Russian made ammo.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:You guys were in the forefront of that.
Speaker A:What was it like during that time for you guys?
Speaker A:Because you had whatever was in the States, was in the States at the time, but trying to figure out how you could get it.
Speaker A:How was that, man, that.
Speaker B:So that was like, that was weird and jacked up.
Speaker B:So in Biden, I cannot for the life of me recall when what you call it that Biden did.
Speaker B:It wasn't executive order, it wasn't a sanction.
Speaker B:But the weird thing is the technical name to it, whatever it's called.
Speaker B:No, any other president has come in after and undone a previous president's thing like Biden had did on the ammo.
Speaker B:So that's why I say like Trump reversing it for us.
Speaker B:I, I'm not hopeful for that.
Speaker B:But anyways, when he did that though, it put a timetable on.
Speaker B:We had import licenses for good for two years, I think.
Speaker B:So it's like, okay, it's two years, we can bring in ammo.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, we'll, we'll bring the ammo in.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:So were the other private label outfits with Barnool.
Speaker B:It's like, let's bring in what we can.
Speaker B:And we weren't trying to like just hurry it up.
Speaker B:But we're like still being strategic on what we wanted to bring in.
Speaker B:What was moving like 545, you know, has always had a following, but not the hugest following.
Speaker B:So we'd always bring a little bit of that in.
Speaker B:But then all of a sudden it was kind of like, what's going on?
Speaker B:Did Russia invade Ukraine and our Bono people were like, ah, don't worry about that.
Speaker B:It's nothing, nothing, nothing.
Speaker B:Now we'll still get your ammo.
Speaker B:We're like, okay.
Speaker B:And it was like, well, what are we getting?
Speaker B:You know, oh, well, why don't you guys want to get some 45?
Speaker B:We got 45.
Speaker B:What about some 762 by 39?
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll see what we can get you.
Speaker B:What about the 545?
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll see what we can get you.
Speaker B:And like 505 stopped.
Speaker B:It was like, that's not good.
Speaker B:Like, about to get real.
Speaker B:So we brought in what ammo we could.
Speaker B:But then as the whole Ukraine thing started heating up more and more, we'd heard rumor, I still can't corroborate any of this.
Speaker B:We heard rumor that one of the other private labelers had ordered paid for their ammo.
Speaker B:It was sitting at port ready to leave Russia.
Speaker B:And the Russian government came in and said, nope, we need this.
Speaker B:Took it.
Speaker B:And so the outfit that paid for it was like, the government just took our ammo.
Speaker B:Can we get more?
Speaker B:It's like, there's no guarantee it'll leave the port.
Speaker B:It's like, okay.
Speaker B:So when we heard that, we reached out.
Speaker B:We're like, hey, we pay for our ammo, can you guarantee we'll get it?
Speaker B:And they were like, no, we can't.
Speaker B:If the government wants to take it, they're going to take it.
Speaker B:They think they need it.
Speaker B:It's going to happen.
Speaker B:It was like, okay, so is there any other alternative routes we can take?
Speaker B:They're like, no, because it's still going to leave from a port somewhere where the government can take it.
Speaker B:And if they take it, it's gone.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, so haven't it sucked having a two years worth of leasing licenses to get ammo into the country?
Speaker B:We were just kind of like, whatever, they'll just sit.
Speaker B:Because we can't guarantee getting any product because obviously the grain thing, you know, certainly heated up.
Speaker B:And it was like, well, we have what we have and we'll just trickle that out, you know, and see how it all goes.
Speaker B:And well, now it's.
Speaker B:Now it's done.
Speaker B:Which sucks.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, from you guys, you guys order the ammo.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:That, that part of the business was doing really well.
Speaker A:We had that, that rush.
Speaker A:What was it like to just go one day?
Speaker A:You were like, cool, we're making all this money going from here and now.
Speaker A:Well, that revenue stream's gone.
Speaker B:It sucked, man.
Speaker B:It hurt.
Speaker B:I mean, like I said, High point's always the bread and butter.
Speaker B:High point will always be the bread and butter.
Speaker B:But the ammo was definitely a certain extra revenue stream.
Speaker B:Like, like, like I said, Trump slump, you know, Trump SL was a real thing.
Speaker B:Guns were slow.
Speaker B:Ammo still wasn't slow.
Speaker B:We were still going with ammo left and right.
Speaker B:So as that was kind of the nice.
Speaker B:That's the real contingency of it.
Speaker B:If the guns were a little bit slower but the ammo still there, it was like, okay, sweet.
Speaker B:That ammo dropping off, it was like here we are then with all the guns, the high point, the inland full forge gear.
Speaker B:It's like the ammo not having that.
Speaker B:That hurt.
Speaker B:That was a hit.
Speaker B:We're still looking at doing something else with ammo.
Speaker B:Uh, it's just takes time.
Speaker B:Takes time to build new relationships, you know, format, new ideas.
Speaker B:If we're gonna like bring in somebody else's ammo who's not really that familiar in the US and push their brand, which like we did with Barnul.
Speaker B:Hell with Chiappa years ago when we did Chiapa's marketing and stuff, we pushed their name so we could go that route or we might even roll ammo into the full forge brand and have our own ammo brand.
Speaker B:But all becoming from, you know, a supplier that we found that we've built a relationship with.
Speaker B:Only time will tell on that though, who knows?
Speaker B:It just sucks to lose the barnool because that was actually anybody out there like wants to rag on steel case ammo.
Speaker B:It's like the dumbest thing in the world.
Speaker B:It's solid ammo.
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker A:I shot a metric ton of Barnal and it's good stuff.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is good stuff.
Speaker A:So when you guys do relationships like that, what's it kind of look like?
Speaker A:Because that was all imported and if you were to go that route again and go import, what's.
Speaker A:What's that look like to build a relationship with a company outside of the US and try to get stuff in.
Speaker B:It's time consuming, man.
Speaker B:I mean we've talked a couple different outfits.
Speaker B:I mean you do the whole, you know, dog and pony show, you show them what we can do.
Speaker B:Usually it's meeting at shot show at first, you know, talk about what they have, show them what we can do.
Speaker B:The then if everything goes cool from there, we'll go over there.
Speaker B:Had a couple people like went to Turkey, looked at a couple different manufacturers over there and a couple of them like they had a good variety of ammo, but they were definitely one to push their name in the States.
Speaker B:But they would also be like, oh, we're very well known.
Speaker B:And they showed me some of the samples.
Speaker B:I'm like, who are these guys?
Speaker B:I've never seen this.
Speaker B:Like, I'm not saying I'm anybody, I'm not saying, you know, but I definitely am a, a bargain basement ammo buyer.
Speaker B:So I'm going For the cheapest crap I can find.
Speaker B:And if it runs it's like, oh, this is actually pretty decent stuff.
Speaker B:I had never heard of these companies before.
Speaker B:It's like, maybe they have some footing in Europe.
Speaker B:They sure as hell don't hear.
Speaker B:I'm like, why aren't they just private labeling with us?
Speaker B:It's like, yeah, because they're like, our ammo is very good ammo.
Speaker B:Okay, but your price point says otherwise.
Speaker B:And people are looking for import stuff to be inexpensive, not more expensive, you know.
Speaker A:Well, you know, during, during COVID and, and that rush afterwards, we'll call it that, that big rush in the early 20 aughts.
Speaker A:I guess that's the best way to put it, you know.
Speaker A:You know, we saw, you know, companies like drz, zsr, all these no name brands and you'd get, you start shooting the ammo and you're like, well this is good stuff.
Speaker A:Where did this stuff come from?
Speaker A:And then, then you come find out like, okay, well this, this brand just had a massive recall on all their ammo.
Speaker A:Or this brand had, right?
Speaker A:And then, you know, and a lot of people don't understand and we, we talked about this with Jake over at SAR is you can order ammo from anywhere in the world, but you'll order it for like 21 cents around in Turkey.
Speaker A:And by the time four months later when it shows up, ammo prices dropped to 19 cents around and now you gotta pivot.
Speaker A:It's a risk.
Speaker A:It really is a huge risk because if it, if it shows up in port and you, you're overpriced, no one's gonna want it.
Speaker A:You gotta sit on it until the price goes back up or if, you know, the market fluctuates.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:No, you're absolutely right.
Speaker B:I mean, and that's, that's other hard sell than when you're getting somebody you're not that familiar with.
Speaker B:Like Barnul was definitely an easier one because you more you look at it was like, oh, I know what Barnal ammo is.
Speaker B:You know, we have really good friends at Horny.
Speaker B:Horny had their, their steel match, man, that was over 10 years ago.
Speaker B:It was a Barnul case.
Speaker B:I forget how.
Speaker B:Jason told me one time how they did it was weird.
Speaker B:Like they couldn't send all the stuff over there, they couldn't send all the stuff over here.
Speaker B:So the way they like had to get the parts together to make the ammo.
Speaker B:But I had buckets, like 4,000 round buckets, several of those things of Hornies Barnool steel case.
Speaker B:Horny bull ammo.
Speaker B:So I was like, okay, I've shot that stuff.
Speaker B:It was great.
Speaker B:I've shot, you know, plenty of wolf over the years.
Speaker B:It never gave me an issue that I would be willing to guess most of that was Barnool, not Tula or even like the brown bear, silver bear, gold bear.
Speaker B:That was all Barnool stuff.
Speaker B:So it's like, yeah, this stuff's legit.
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll have a little uphill battle because they're ignorant, perpetuated crap on the Internet of steel cases.
Speaker B:Terrible for your gun.
Speaker B:Steel case.
Speaker B:And it's, it's, you know, know steel cord bullets.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:No, it's a bi.
Speaker B:Metal bullet.
Speaker B:So it sparks a little bit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it's not steel cord.
Speaker B:It's not hurting anything else.
Speaker B:So that was really the only uphill battle with that.
Speaker B:But even still with the Russians, the pricing still with them, it fluctuated a little bit from shipment to shipment.
Speaker B:I mean, just from materials on their end.
Speaker B:And then, you know, the port cost to the landed cost when we finally get it was kind of like, ooh, this just got a little higher.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, but still, even then, it was a.
Speaker B:Of 223 and 762.
Speaker B:So even if it was a little bit higher at the time, wouldn't last long.
Speaker B:You still go through that stuff.
Speaker B:But going with a completely unknown brand, you know, out of like say a turkey or any one of the, I don't know, other Eastern European outfits, it's like, oh, they make ammo.
Speaker B:Like, oh, is it any good?
Speaker B:Like, because what happens to us when you buy a case of that stuff and you get two, three rounds out of a box of a whole case, Every box there's two, three bad rounds that don't work.
Speaker B:What are we going to do with that besides go, here's some replacement ammo?
Speaker B:You know, it's just, it's rough.
Speaker B:You got to almost do a lot of testing on our own to bring the stuff in, to really feel for it out before just diving ahead first.
Speaker B:And it, it, it kind of sucks in that regard, you know.
Speaker A:No, I get that because you don't want.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's your guys's reputation on the line.
Speaker B:It's absolutely.
Speaker A:And if it's a bad.
Speaker A:Like, I know when I was doing ammo where I was working in ammo, we had a batch from one of the Turkish companies of 308 that was so bad it was blowing guns up and just getting like photos of M4 or M1A's and things like that where people's guns were blown up and you're like, okay, cool.
Speaker A:So now I'm taking your ammo back.
Speaker A:And because this is a Turkish company, they don't care.
Speaker A:So I have to replace your gun because if I don't, my customer base is going to be mad at me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I know we had one guy, he had an MP5.
Speaker B:I remember.
Speaker B:I feel like in the long run, it was kind of sketchy.
Speaker B:Like, all this information didn't quite add up because I don't remember, like, what was like, his case, the ammo, he'd only shot, like, maybe a box out of it.
Speaker B:So I think he couldn't confirm that it was like, our ammo or something else that he had.
Speaker B:But at the end of the day, he was like, oh, it's gonna cost me X replace this gun.
Speaker B:We're like, well, you know, you can replace the barrel for less.
Speaker B:Well, but that's a bigger expense.
Speaker B:We're like, dude, we'll replace your barrel.
Speaker B:The guy was like, what?
Speaker B:It's like, yeah, man.
Speaker B:Like, look, you can't truly prove that our ammo did it because you got too many inconsistencies in the story, you know?
Speaker B:And so we're not gonna go out and fully replace your gun, but we'll replace your barrel.
Speaker B:That's all that's wrong with the thing.
Speaker B:And dude is like, oh, okay, do that.
Speaker B:So it's like, was he really on the up and up or was he half bull us and blew up his own gun with a bad reload or something?
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, you never know.
Speaker A:Speaking.
Speaker A:Speaking of barrels, this brings up to another cool topic with going back to High Point.
Speaker A:Okay, so high point carving with 30 rounds stuck in the barrel.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:45 actually.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:45 auto.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you guys really.
Speaker A:So this.
Speaker A:This goes back to how much you guys stand behind your product.
Speaker A:That gun.
Speaker A:Any other manufacturer would have just gone, your fault, dude.
Speaker A:No, you guys turned it into, like, a marketing ploy.
Speaker A:Like, hey, look, our barrel.
Speaker A:Our gun is so strong, it took 30 rounds of.45 ACP stuck in the barrel.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I remember when I first came on board, you'd get the occasional guy that would send this gun in, like, yeah, I need to have my gun repaired.
Speaker B:It just stopped working.
Speaker B:You're like, what?
Speaker B:Like, it stopped working.
Speaker B:And at the time, like, some people send their stuff to us first and we'd forward onto the factory and you'd look at it and go, the hell?
Speaker B:And you look at it.
Speaker B:You're like, oh, there's a round in the chamber.
Speaker B:You get a light and you're like, oh, there's multiple rounds in the chamber.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, it stopped working, huh?
Speaker B:It's like, okay, all right, sure.
Speaker B:You clearly weren't paying attention to.
Speaker B:You're reloading, and you stacked a couple rounds in there, sent it on, whatever.
Speaker B:But, yeah, that guy.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was like 32 or 34 rounds of.45 auto.
Speaker B:And the factory cut the barrel in half so you could see each individual round stacked up to.
Speaker B:And the barrel had just a little bit of bulging.
Speaker B:Honestly, not much because they're.
Speaker B:They're pretty tough barrels.
Speaker B:But you would have thought the guy shooting it would have noticed that.
Speaker B:One, the back pressure is getting a little more on.45.
Speaker B:And two, it was sounding a little off, but I don't know, whatever.
Speaker B:We still took care of it, you know, still replace the guy's gun.
Speaker A:I mean, and that's what I.
Speaker A:I love about you guys is that it's.
Speaker A:And you've told me this before, it's like, if anything happens to a high point, send it in.
Speaker A:We'll take care of you.
Speaker A:We'll get it done.
Speaker A:And that's something that a lot of companies won't do.
Speaker A:But also, you know, I want to applaud you guys because you.
Speaker A:You're coming in at such a price point that everybody can have a.
Speaker A:A firearm.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And you guys are.
Speaker B:That is the plan.
Speaker A:Spreading freedom that way and spreading the two a message by making an affordable gun that works and is.
Speaker A:Is heavy, but is super right accurate and does what it needs to do.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And that's always been the goal, to make a gun that everybody can afford.
Speaker B:The original owner, Tom De, that was his thing.
Speaker B:He was like a visa repair guy in the 80s.
Speaker B:And even then, he was sick of seeing you think, what did you really have in the 80s that was new production stuff?
Speaker B:1911s Berettas, probably some high powers.
Speaker B:You know, Remember the Ruger P series, Maybe.
Speaker B:But even then, he was tired of seeing the cost going up, and it, like, literally pissed him off.
Speaker B:He was a neat guy and decided he's gonna design his own gun.
Speaker B:So he did.
Speaker B:And you're looking at the evolution of that gun still being going simple blowback, so it's simpler action.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're.
Speaker B:They're heaviers because we're using like, bigger, larger cast Z max slide.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's like people always say, oh, why don't you guys do a stainless steel slide?
Speaker B:It's like, okay, we can do that, but it's gonna like double our costs.
Speaker B:Like you're gonna kill the reliability of it.
Speaker B:And so if you're gonna do a stand, it's a slide.
Speaker B:At that point you might as well then move on from a blowback action to a Browning tilt lock action.
Speaker B:And again, so then your cost is going to go up.
Speaker B:So now we're already talking like you know, myth, M and P, you know, Glock prices of a handgun.
Speaker B:That's not the point.
Speaker B:I mean, could we do it?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:But we still need that affordability for Everybody.
Speaker B:And the YC9 just fits that bill still, you know, same with our carbines.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's what I love about you guys.
Speaker A:For sure.
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Speaker A:So Dave, what is your from the soapbox?
Speaker A:What is your spicy hot take today?
Speaker B:I don't any super spicy or hot.
Speaker B:My main thing is like okay, so we're seeing some awesome news rolling out with the Trump admin.
Speaker B:You know gearing ready guys.
Speaker B:He's wanting to appoint.
Speaker B:It just looks like I don't say like the most star studded kick like admin ever but it kind of does because like this dude's got four years.
Speaker B:I think he knows what he's going to do.
Speaker B:But my, my problem lies with that is let me back up and say I was always a Trump guy, okay.
Speaker B:I was always a Trump fan.
Speaker B:His first four years was Trump fan voted for him all three times.
Speaker B:Now I knew in was it 20.
Speaker B:I knew a lot of the gun community was like I'm not voting for Trump.
Speaker B:Like what like see you're gonna vote for Biden.
Speaker B:Well no, I'm vote for some third party because Trump's no friend of the 2A.
Speaker B:I'm like oh dear God.
Speaker B:And here we go.
Speaker B:Stop thinking and being complacent.
Speaker B:Just because you have your favorite letter controls the government powers that you should just be Kicking back and relaxing, going, ah, all's good.
Speaker B:All is good.
Speaker B:We have, we have control of everything.
Speaker B:No, you don't.
Speaker B:Your government still doesn't like you.
Speaker B:Your government's still not your friend.
Speaker B:This Trump admin could be the best thing we've ever had, and I think it will be.
Speaker B:But they are still not your friend.
Speaker B:You still need to be vigilant.
Speaker B:You still need to stay on top of.
Speaker B:With organizations like you guys, you know, on watching your rights.
Speaker B:How many states rights got worse under the Trump administration because people kicked back or like, all is good.
Speaker B:We have, we have a Republican that we all like who's a 2A guy.
Speaker B:No, he's not.
Speaker B:He's a New York Democrat.
Speaker B:Stop it.
Speaker B:You know, which is fine.
Speaker B:But that was the thing.
Speaker B:People were so damn complacent with him.
Speaker B:I don't want to see that happening again.
Speaker B:Even though we're seeing this dream team of people.
Speaker B:You know, like I've seen.
Speaker B:What was it?
Speaker B:I don't know if it's memes or real, but they're talking about like getting Brandon Herrera into a cabinet position or something like that.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, cool, whatever, fine.
Speaker B:But that doesn't mean you still can sit back and relax.
Speaker B:You know, you sit back and you watch this federal.
Speaker B:Are you watching your state?
Speaker B:Are you watching your state lose more control?
Speaker B:I mean, look at.
Speaker B:I was on the.
Speaker B:We like shooting guys for the, for the election night.
Speaker B:And one of the guys names from the let's go Hunt, he was talking about how they lost, you know, bad in their state because they passed a bill that puts more tax on ammo.
Speaker B:And I didn't realize that at first.
Speaker B:He just said, oh, here goes ammo prices next year.
Speaker B:And I said, yeah, right.
Speaker B:I saw that press release from Winchester.
Speaker B:He goes, oh, no, dude, in Colorado.
Speaker B:Well, we just, we passed today was a law that passed of an extra percentage tax on.
Speaker B:On ammo.
Speaker B:I'm like, holy.
Speaker B:It reinforces it.
Speaker B:Stay vigilant with your state.
Speaker B:Don't kick back and relax with this awesome administration we're going to get.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I hopped on to Sean show election night.
Speaker A:I was, I was live streaming at the same time, but I hopped in the comments while I was live streaming and I said it right then and there.
Speaker A:I was like, now is not the time to become complacent.
Speaker A:Now is the time to actually push these people that you elected to do what they said, we have year.
Speaker A:I'm not that.
Speaker A:Is it because you think everyone's like, well, we got two years of this.
Speaker A:And no, because year two, they're running for reelection.
Speaker A:You have a year.
Speaker A:Now is the time to contact these people and go, this is what we want.
Speaker A:And be the loud voice.
Speaker A:That is the problem, I think, and we, I, I've talked about it before is with conservatives.
Speaker A:You're absolutely right.
Speaker A:We, we like to.
Speaker A:We win.
Speaker A:And we're like, all right, Cass, we're good to go.
Speaker A:We don't have to worry about anything.
Speaker A:But we saw at the, at the state.
Speaker A:You're absolutely at the state level.
Speaker A:So Colorado passed the tax.
Speaker A:We've got Memphis, which as of this podcast, we've sued on a couple months ago when, when this airs that we, as of yesterday, technically, we filed the lawsuit that is trying to do an AR ban in the city of Memphis.
Speaker A:You've got.
Speaker A:Washington is basically telling people, hey, our system is down.
Speaker A:We can't do process background checks, and you're not allowed to do your, your, your Second Amendment rights.
Speaker A:We have so many things that people are complacent in.
Speaker A:And now is the time not to become complacent, but now is the time to actually push these politicians to do what they promise to do.
Speaker A:And again, the same thing, everybody, every time Trump spokes, everyone was like, well, he's anti to a.
Speaker A:No politician is 100% pro.
Speaker A:2A no.
Speaker A:You can look at one, you can look at their voting record, which we put up every year around this, around election time.
Speaker A:We put up the voting record going, okay, well, here's how they're rated.
Speaker A:You can look at their rating and go, okay, well, they're at an A.
Speaker A:Why are there A, well, they voted for this.
Speaker A:Or hey, they're at a B.
Speaker A:They voted for this.
Speaker A:Now is the time to actually put the fire to their butts and get stuff done.
Speaker A:Because I want to see, you know, we have the Hearing Protection act in the Shush act, in the House, in the Senate, right?
Speaker A:Get Suppress yourself, the nfa.
Speaker A:Hey, I want to see SBR and SBS is off the nfa.
Speaker A:I want to see national reciprocity or national concealed carry.
Speaker A:There's so many things we want to see, and everybody's been screaming about this from the rooftops for the last eight years.
Speaker A:Now is the time to actually do it.
Speaker A:Go call these people and go, hey, I know that this bill is in the House.
Speaker A:Here's the bill number.
Speaker A:We want you to push it.
Speaker A:And it takes 30 seconds to do so.
Speaker A:Go to the GOA website.
Speaker A:There is a, a spot where you, it says, contact your congressman or Senator, buy your zip code, it takes 30 seconds as a preform letter and just do it.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's 30 seconds of your time.
Speaker B:It's not that hard.
Speaker B:Do it during whatever you do too.
Speaker B:When you reach out to them, don't get.
Speaker B:Don't get nasty.
Speaker B:Be polite, be civil.
Speaker B:As soon as you get, you're gonna hit delete.
Speaker B:It's not gonna go beyond the secretary, you know.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:And that's the whole point.
Speaker A:You got to be civil.
Speaker A:You got to be nice.
Speaker A:You gotta.
Speaker A:But you gotta push them.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Remind them they work for us.
Speaker A:Yeah, that is.
Speaker A:That is a good.
Speaker A:From the soapbox.
Speaker A:Because I.
Speaker A:I watch Sean show.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Sean, I love you, buddy.
Speaker A:He's been on the show with us.
Speaker A:I watch him.
Speaker A:I'm always in the comment section.
Speaker A:I just want the people who were in his chat that night who were celebrating, they need to understand now is the time to fight.
Speaker A:And that's with everybody who's in the 2A community.
Speaker A:Now is the time to fight and do that.
Speaker A:Now, I do have one more spicy thing for you.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:See what you can do.
Speaker A:Is it Illinois that you guys are banded because of your melting point?
Speaker B:What in the actual handguns in particular?
Speaker B:It's the handguns.
Speaker B:It's an old leftover senate special law.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's all.
Speaker B:That's all it is.
Speaker B:Because some of those guns were made from pop metal, you know, science specials.
Speaker B:But now because this.
Speaker B:Oh, God, here we go.
Speaker B:I'm trying to think best way to even talk about this.
Speaker B:So, yes, our slides are Z Max.
Speaker B:So yes, you get them hot enough, they will melt.
Speaker B:Watch Eric's arc of 80 80.
Speaker B:It's got a really old video where they threw it in a cast iron pot outside and cooked it.
Speaker B:And yeah, he got hot enough.
Speaker B:The Z Max slide melted.
Speaker B:So yes, it will melt.
Speaker B:But the dumbest thing about that law, every polymer frame gun will melt that same point.
Speaker B:So it's like.
Speaker B:What the.
Speaker B:It's like Illinois, you guys.
Speaker B:We can't change this law.
Speaker B:You guys have to change Illinois.
Speaker B:You got to fix it.
Speaker B:But it been around for a long time and.
Speaker B:Okay, so could we technically still sell everything to Illinois?
Speaker B:Sure, we could.
Speaker B:Is that opening up us for a ton of lawsuits in the state of Illinois?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And honestly, the same could happen to Glocket Smith and Wesson.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker B:They have a little more bankroll to fight that kind of than we do.
Speaker B:We're not getting into that.
Speaker B:We don't want to be subjected to that.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it Sucks.
Speaker B:Like our lifetime warranty.
Speaker B:They send it in a pistol.
Speaker B:They can't get that back because we can't legally send it back to Illinois.
Speaker B:Legally, like I said to other manufacturers.
Speaker B:They still do it.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Now, Illinois dealers, they can still buy our products if they have an online store, because then they're selling out of state, potentially.
Speaker B:But at that point, it's out of our hands.
Speaker B:You know, they're allowed to do that.
Speaker B:But yeah, it's an.
Speaker B:It's an ancient law on melting point from Saturday night specials that really, truly.
Speaker B:Every polymer damn gun out there will melt in that.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It's ignorant.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What is the whole point of it?
Speaker A:What is the whole point of the.
Speaker A:Who's sticking.
Speaker A:Well, okay, I'm gonna say who's sticking their gun in the oven?
Speaker A:But you never know with some people.
Speaker B:But yeah, well, because, you know, they'll do it with high points because it's cheap enough, and they'll be like, I'm gonna test this thing out because it was only 200 bucks.
Speaker B:I get that.
Speaker B:I get the ridiculous torture.
Speaker B:We get to our guns for that reason.
Speaker B:Nobody's gonna buy their Glock, you know, their cherished favorite Glock or hk, whatever, and try and melt the damn frame.
Speaker B:Yes, it'll melt.
Speaker B:It's plastic.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's gonna melt, you know, but no, it's just an ancient, ignorant law.
Speaker B:Come on, look at all.
Speaker B:How many gun laws actually have any logic to them?
Speaker B:No, they.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:So this is the same thing.
Speaker B:Just somebody saw this back in the day.
Speaker B:Obviously, it was like, man, that'll probably melt it.
Speaker B:I don't know, whatever couple hundred degrees that it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, no, it's there.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We do not sell our handguns in the state of Illinois.
Speaker B:Carbines are okay because they're a rifle, not a pistol.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's for real.
Speaker A:It's ridiculous.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What other.
Speaker A:Are you guys on all the rosters?
Speaker A:Or is there some rosters you're not on besides Illinois?
Speaker B:That's like, one that's probably the most restrictive one.
Speaker B:New York is still a mess.
Speaker B:Like, even lawyers are like, we're not touching this one.
Speaker B:So there's gun shops that will get our guns in.
Speaker B:They'll sell them.
Speaker B:They'll get, like, the state compliant models, and our lawyers are like, it's.
Speaker B:It's very gray because they're wording.
Speaker B:So we recommend not selling the stuff in New York, California.
Speaker B:It's a mixed bag.
Speaker B:Like, you still get some of the handguns and the carbines.
Speaker B:California's actually lightened up a little bit because they had the micro stamping thing for the longest time where you couldn't get anything new.
Speaker B:And I think that actually, like, got defeated or dropped off.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we're looking at trying to get more of our guns into California.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm trying to think there's another New England state that's a little weird.
Speaker B:You can't sell it in their state until, like a dealer basically has to order one in, get it, and they submit something themselves to the state and the state says, okay, then it's fine.
Speaker B:It's good.
Speaker B:Like Maryland, I think was a little weird like that.
Speaker B:I can't recall off top of my head, but yeah, Illinois, New York, California.
Speaker B:By far the worst.
Speaker A:This will be the last thing we'll talk about before we close out the show.
Speaker A:So torture testing of your guns.
Speaker A:There's so many videos of people just beating the absolute daylights out of them and just proving that high points are so much better built than what people perceive.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's so ridiculous.
Speaker B:I mean, now it's gotten.
Speaker B:The last couple years, guys come up with Shacho, I think was it last year.
Speaker B:Guy came up and he goes, hey, I want to shoot the C9 or YC9, whichever one.
Speaker B:He goes, I want to shoot at a thousand yards.
Speaker B:And I went, it's been done.
Speaker B:I was like, what?
Speaker B:I said, yeah, Guy sent me a video.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:The Guy's not a YouTuber by any means, so his video was very, very rough.
Speaker B:But he shows you this one giant, long, 45 minute take.
Speaker B:He shoots and hits a balloon at a thousand yards with the handgun.
Speaker B:You know, out in the deserts of Nevada somewhere.
Speaker B:So he did it.
Speaker B:So I was like, yeah, it's been done, man.
Speaker B:It's like, could somebody with more following, bigger production be a cooler event?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:And he's like, oh, no, no, no, no, you misunderstand me.
Speaker B:And I was like, okay.
Speaker B:He goes, I'm a long range, high precision shooter.
Speaker B:I was like, okay.
Speaker B:He goes, I want to shoot your high point.
Speaker B:I was like, oh.
Speaker B:He goes, yeah, I want to use the C9 as my target.
Speaker B:And I went, have a nice day.
Speaker B:I was like, what?
Speaker B:I said, dude, if you come up to me and tell me you want to intentionally destroy my product, I'm gonna tell you to take a hike.
Speaker B:Get out of my booth.
Speaker B:Don't waste my time.
Speaker B:That's stupid, man.
Speaker B:I was like, anybody can destroy anything.
Speaker B:Like, most torture tests are just beyond stupid.
Speaker B:Anyways, it's like show what the average persons do with their gun to maybe an extreme and oh, guess what?
Speaker B:It's going to hold up just fine or you're going to find a failure point that most people never have in their lifetime of the firearm of any brand for the most part.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:So yeah, torch testers just, they're dumb.
Speaker B:I even with AR ones, I think they're just dumb.
Speaker B:Like, it's just so unrealistic.
Speaker B:Give me a break.
Speaker A:Wait, Dave, you don't drag your high point behind your truck in the desert.
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker B:Yeah, no, yeah, no, no, never.
Speaker B:You know, I've seen what was one guy, he was shooting it and then he threw it at a steel target.
Speaker B:And the angle he hit, right?
Speaker B:So it cracked the frame at the trigger guard, you know.
Speaker B:And it was like he called me up and he goes, yeah, I mean, I broke my high point.
Speaker B:I was like, what'd you do through the steel target?
Speaker B:And I went, why'd you do that?
Speaker B:See what would happen.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:And the frame broke and I went, yeah, shocker, dude.
Speaker B:Mass against a solid object.
Speaker B:It's like, what'd you expect to happen, dude?
Speaker B:Well, you guys can repair it.
Speaker B:Yeah, we'll repair it.
Speaker B:Like, but you're a dumb.
Speaker B:Like, come on, man.
Speaker A:Oh man.
Speaker A:Well, Dave, it's been a pleasure having you on.
Speaker A:Before we go, I gotta little gift for you.
Speaker A:So our friends over at AAC and Palmetto has sponsored the show for gifts for all our guests this year.
Speaker A:So you get will be receiving a gift from Palmetto and aac.
Speaker A:So again, thank you to them for sponsoring the show and our gift for all our guests.
Speaker A:Again, great supporters of goa.
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Speaker A:You can get high points at Palmetto State Army.
Speaker A:So get yourself, get yourself a high point at Palmetto State Armory.
Speaker B:You owed yourself.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, don't get one, get like several.
Speaker A:I mean, they're cheap enough get, get several.
Speaker A:You need one of each flavor.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:There's a quick one too.
Speaker B:When the prepper thing was real big, what was it, like 10 years ago?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There are so many guys come up to us narration and they're like, oh my God, I can buy like 60 of your guns or 10 of your guns and like put them in dry seal packages and seal them away.
Speaker B:It's a fan and I can arm my community.
Speaker B:And we're like, yes, you can.
Speaker B:Go for it, man.
Speaker B:Stock up.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:This brings it.
Speaker A:So you, you know who Ursula Williams is?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You met Ursula.
Speaker B:No, off top of my head, Ursula.
Speaker A:Is a competitive shooter who shoots for staccato.
Speaker A:And I joked with her the one day, I was like, hey, you should sell all your staccatos and just buy high points.
Speaker A:And you could use a new high point for each stage for the year.
Speaker B:Like New York reloading it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And she goes, why would I do that?
Speaker A:I'm like, think about it.
Speaker A:For the amount you have in staccatos, you could sell them all and have four pallets of high points sitting in your garage.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:The ATF could show up.
Speaker A:It'd be like, what?
Speaker A:You're like, I'm a competitive shooter.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Those are.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Those are my guns.
Speaker B:Shoot on a stage and I sell it.
Speaker B:I'm done with it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, you could literally shoot each stage with a different high point and still be.
Speaker A:Have enough high points to last you the rest of the year.
Speaker A:It's just like, I might do that.
Speaker A:I'm like, you should.
Speaker A:It'd be hilarious and awesome.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B: does this person have so many: Speaker B:We should go do a wellness check on them.
Speaker A:She was like.
Speaker A:She was like, it would be.
Speaker A:We did the math.
Speaker A:I think it came out to being like 90 high points or something like that.
Speaker A:And I was like, you could have so many high points in your garage.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:And the best part is she.
Speaker A:She's in West Phoenix, so it look even more shadier.
Speaker B:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:It's like, yes.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:So on that pitch, rip, so if anybody wants to do that, is the man to contact.
Speaker A:Contact Dave at High Point.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You give me.
Speaker B:You give me a solid shooting record and we'll talk.
Speaker B:I promise.
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker A:On that note, Dave, thank you for joining us today.
Speaker A:We appreciate.
Speaker A:Go ahead and shout out all the socials website, everything where people could find you, so on and so forth.
Speaker B:Easiest thing, if you won't find high point, go to highpointfirearms.com links to our socials there.
Speaker B:Facebook sucks.
Speaker B:We're still on there, but they've banned us now for possibly 90 days as of yesterday.
Speaker B:But still go to the website, Instagram.
Speaker B:We're still on there.
Speaker B:X.
Speaker B:Honestly, most people.
Speaker B:Please get on X.
Speaker B:Get on X is a great platform to be on inland.
Speaker B:Same thing.
Speaker B:You want to follow what's going on with Inland firearms, go to inlandfirearms.com Full forge gear.
Speaker B:Same thing.
Speaker B:Facebook Instagram, Twitter.
Speaker B:We're on all of them with every platform.
Speaker B:So yeah, check it out and give us a follow.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Get yourself a high point.
Speaker A:Highly recommend.
Speaker A:10 out of 10.
Speaker A:Get yourself an inland because who doesn't want to watch watch Band of brothers while holding an M1 carving.
Speaker A:Just saying, right.
Speaker A:Just do it because you want to.
Speaker A:And this will be airing after shot.
Speaker A:So if you want to bill anything to the crowd or anything, you're more than welcome to.
Speaker B:I mean, big thing is.
Speaker B:Yeah, okay, Aaron.
Speaker B: P,: Speaker B:If you're like saying what the hell those numbers all mean.
Speaker B:It's literally our new pistol formats of our carbines in 9, 10 and 45.
Speaker B:So they're.
Speaker B:Excuse me, 13 and a half inch barrel on the 9, 14 and a half inch on the 45 and 10 threaded.
Speaker B:So obviously good suppressor host.
Speaker B:But the coolest thing is on the rear end of it where we cut the stock off, we have a machined plate.
Speaker B:There's pick rail already on it with a QD socket.
Speaker B:So you could throw a sling on there pickell.
Speaker B:Obviously you can throw on a stock or brace, you know, stock of USB R it.
Speaker B:But if you don't like the.
Speaker B:The brace bit, which again, you can still fold it and you have enough room, you can put it low enough, you can fold it and we'll clear the charging handle.
Speaker B:But also you can take the screws out of that picatinny piece, slide it out.
Speaker B:And it's already threaded in there for AR buffer tubes.
Speaker B:So you've got a lot of mounting of stock and brace options with these new guns.
Speaker B:And yeah, these guys are dropping at shot show.
Speaker B:We've teased them a little bit online.
Speaker B:We'll continue to use them online as long as we don't get kicked off social media.
Speaker B:But yeah, they're cool.
Speaker B:Just little like pack gun.
Speaker B:It's not necessarily the high point for the general.
Speaker B:Not a lot of money high point owners.
Speaker B:It's more for gun guys like us that we want to have something to have fun with because it's a cool little setup, but it's not the cheapest high point because a little more work on into it.
Speaker B:But they're cool.
Speaker A:Definitely SBR your high points.
Speaker A:Just saying.
Speaker A:Well worth it.
Speaker B:Talk about a flex.
Speaker A:Yeah, flex.
Speaker A:Dave.
Speaker A:Dave, I appreciate you being on.
Speaker A:We always have so much fun.
Speaker A:Little backstory the first time I met Dave, I was at fax and I said, hey, we should do aftermarket high point barrels.
Speaker A:And he looked at me like I was stupid.
Speaker A:Like I was stupid.
Speaker B:Like I was.
Speaker B:I probably said you were stupid to your face too, probably.
Speaker A:Yeah, you did.
Speaker A:But it was the greatest idea I've ever had and has never come to fruition.
Speaker A:So somebody, if.
Speaker A:If you want to make aftermarket high point barrels, which is not a real thing and should never be a thing, but contact Dave.
Speaker A:He'll.
Speaker A:He'll tell you how to do it.
Speaker B:I'mma tell you you're stupid and don't.
Speaker A:He will to your face too.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker B:It's true.
Speaker A:True story.
Speaker A:But Dave, you've been a great friend.
Speaker A:I appreciate everything you do for the community and everything.
Speaker A:So again, I appreciate you being on.
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